A New Day’s pond

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  1. A new day

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    So I got the go-ahead from the Minister of Finance to spuce up this area with a pond, and busy researching options. Would appreciate TASA input before going ahead. I’ve read through most of the pond threads.

    The site is sheltered from the winter elements and there is access to electricity so I can run a filter. Gets sun from about noon/11am.


    Really like the idea of summer tubbing and am inspired a.o.t. by Rachel O’Leary’s breeding tubs. But looking for fish that can overwinter and also take care of any mosquitoes that might breed in the pond. Current shortlist is
    - @Figeth has wild type guppies that successfully overwintered in her outdoor pond (also in Cape Town, in a less sheltered position which is promising). Perhaps 1 male and 4 females already used to pond life?
    - white cloud mountain minnows, not sure if they are readily available in CT.
    - comets, but I think the pond is too small to house 2-3 goldies sustainably, and they might be more difficult to breed

    I saw this pond at a local nursery, dimensions 85x85cm and 30cm deep but the concrete is about 5cm thick so this will bring me to about 140L. Thick sides should offer good insulation, and I can place a planter in front to further insulate the pond (eg block harsh summer afternoon sun).


    This will fit in well in the 1m wide opening, and the height will be flush with the deck (which I like from an aesthetic point of view). Minus the 5cm thick bottom it will be 25cm of water, so quite shallow (perhaps not ideal).

    Planning on planting the living daylights out of it for extra filtration, cover for fish and fry, shade and temperature regulation. Dirt bottom capped with pfs and the old gravel from my 65L.

    I have a Dophin F1200 filter (450L/h) that I could use, and can get Matrix going in my 180L.

    Will use borehole water.

    Will need to lift and reposition the paving to level it.

    Any suggestions?

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  3. Cale24

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    Nice summer project to do, should look great in that area. If you do small fish you can have a 'lowboy' style setup, with wood and rocks coming up out of the water here and there. White cloud minnows could perhaps be a good fish option as well?
     
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    bit too much of a noob to comment of livestock, but great idea, placement is going to look awesome. will be following along. love Rachel O'Leary's setup
     
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    I would have a look at a Corrugated stock tank. you get round and longer types.
    I bought mine from RainqueentankSa. They are in Gautenng and cape town
    https://www.rainqueensa.co.za/product-gallery/

    They seal the tanks with Durapond so ready to use.
    they can make it custom to fit your space.

    Or make a wooden raised pond.
    Many examples if you google
     
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    Thanks @RABUBI they do look nice. How’s the insulation temperature regulation on yours?
     
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    I live in Centurion and winters can get quite cold as I am close to the river. Goldfish are realy hardy, so no issues with the cold. I bought a round corrugated dam, 2400L, and then made a veggie garden around it. Previously I used and old cast iron bath tub, and no issues with fish dying due to cold
     
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    Some pics

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    If you do go with those concrete type pots, you MUST seal them with Durapond first. Cement leeches into the water from untreated concrete - will kill any fish.
     
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    Thanks everyone for the input and good advice. The nursery doesn’t stock those concrete ponds anymore as they leak too much apparently. I’ve had a look around at other options, trying to weigh up pros and cons, and eventually made a bit of an impulse buy - a molded plastic 150L pond that my lfs kindly gave me a discount on. It is also a bit deeper than the other one, which is good.

    From a functionality point of view I think it will work well as a planted breeding pond. I have 9 golden white cloud mountain minnows on reserve. Running the Dophin 1200 with cycled media, scattered some uncycled matrix over the pfs & gravel on the bottom for good luck, and adding stability. Haven’t tested the water yet.

    Aesthetically it is perhaps not the best, but I’m busy planting it and am surrounding it with planters to hide the plastic as much as possible. I could always replace it in future, and sink this one into the garden, should I feel that it really doesn’t look good once the planting has matured.

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    @A new day

    I actually like the pond though yes, ideally I think its meant to be sunk into the ground and cover the plastic edges

    However.... just and idea.... why dont you take some relevant sized stones and glue/silicone them to the edge of the pond right around and bingo!!
     
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    Day 5 update:

    pH: 7,5 (borehole water)
    Ammonia: 0,009
    NO2: 0,5
    NO3: 10
    I reckon nitrites should be zero in another day or two, and then I’ll add the white clouds. Toying with the idea of adding cherry shrimp, perhaps only for summer...

    Water temperature fluctuates a fair bit with outside temperature though. 15C this morning and 20C just now. We had an unexpectedly cold day yesterday but nice and sunny today. Hubby’s infrared temp gun is awesome for the pond!

    Plant list:
    - Nymphae capensis, indigenous blue water lily, dormant in winter
    - waterblommetjie, indigenous, winter flowering
    - vallisenaria aethiopica, indigenous val, R30 for a big clump at kirstenbosch
    - 1 jungle val
    - ludwigia repens, hornwort and a piece of watersprite fromtank
    - bacopa monneiri will grow emersed
    - cyperus prolifer (nana), indigenous
    - cyperus albostriatus, indigenous, raided from garden
    - creeping jenny
    - gunnera perpensa (river pumpkin), indigenous 60x60cm, usually dies back in winter
    - watercress. Tossed in a handful from a supermarket packet, they rooted within 4 days
    - 2 types of mint from garden, probably only as fillers

    Next step is planters between the pond and deck to further hide the plastic :)

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    Struggling to upload my other pics, will try again a bit later!
     
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    I've been keeping an eye on your thread lol :thumbup: but I don't want to comment much. We have an outside shower with a pond and I have 5 comets (gold fish in there) but its nothing fancy. Fish have grown about half their size in 6 to 12 months.
     
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    Awesome- outside shower with a pond :thumbup:
     
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    I will upload a photo tonight so you can see. All I put in was normal gravel with a relative strong pump for oxygen. It's about 2400 litres.
     
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    Yes please :thumbup:
     
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    Wow now I want one !!!
     
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