A New Day's 180l jungle

Discussion in 'Planted Tanks' started by A new day, Jul 11, 2019.

  1. TankMaster

    TankMaster Apistogramma

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2010
    Messages:
    1,757
    Likes Received:
    44
    Location:
    Durban
    Such a strong start! Is this one of the new Juwel tanks with the LED light?

    Any plans for CO2? Maybe DIY with citric acid?
     
    A new day likes this.
  2. Guest




  3. Toy

    Toy

    Joined:
    May 24, 2019
    Messages:
    278
    Likes Received:
    177
    Location:
    Pretoria
    Do you buy from only one LFS?

    Best to test LFS water and get your tank as close as possible to LFS water parameters.

    Alternatively, get a 2nd tank to use as a acclimation tank, with 50%/50% water from your tank and lfs, and slowly over few days acclimate your new fish, will also server as a quarantine system.

    I used to run my tanks on RO water but after several losses I now use local municipal water with same parameters as lfs and no more issues.
     
    A new day likes this.
  4. TankMaster

    TankMaster Apistogramma

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2010
    Messages:
    1,757
    Likes Received:
    44
    Location:
    Durban
    Most fish aren't at the LFS long enough to fully acclimate in those tanks.

    There was a presentation in which Matt Schauer (US Cory Breeder) mentioned that some species of Corydoras release a toxin when they are stressed or startled. I'm not sure if this has been scientifically proven but, he described his experiences and losses that resulted from the fish killing themselves. I think it's one of the reasons that some wholesalers ship Corys with some sort of chemical media to absorb the toxin.

    You can do more reading about this. It's a plausible cause.

    Funny thing is that if anything died in that tank due to bad water quality or a toxin, it would have been the shrimp.







    Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk
     
    A new day likes this.
  5. OP
    A new day

    A new day Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2019
    Messages:
    6,987
    Likes Received:
    5,953
    Location:
    Cape Town
    @TankMaster thanks! Yes it is one of the new setups with the LEDs. I might consider a CO2 setup in future when I'm more experienced / confident, but for now dosing liquid CO2 (Seachem Exel).

    To be honest, so far I'm quite happy with the plant growth I'm getting and have chosen low tech plants. In addition to Flourish root tabs for the heavy root feeders, I'm doing daily doses of Seachem Flourish, Exel and Iron. I roughly work out the recommended weekly dose and divide it into smaller daily doses.
     
  6. OP
    A new day

    A new day Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2019
    Messages:
    6,987
    Likes Received:
    5,953
    Location:
    Cape Town
    @ Toy thank you! I buy from 2 different lfs. Your question and @TankMaster 's response to that made me think further about the trends. I think a big factor (not the only factor) in the losses of the pandas and diamonds is the amount of time they've had to settle in at the fish store after shipping. Also the size/maturity of the individuals.

    E.g. the ottos and pearl gouramis come from different stores, but I know for a fact that they have been in their tanks for at least a couple of weeks if not months. While still juveniles, they are of good size.

    The first batch of diamond tetra has been in the store for less than 24h, and they were small. I lost 2 of these. At a later point supplemented the school with a new batch (same store). This second batch was definitely a slightly better size fish, and they have been at the fish store for 3 days which is probably still not enough but luckily they are thriving. They're probably around 2,5 cm now but will eventually reach 5-6cm so large for tetras, and will look totally different as adults. Interestingly enough, one of the diamonds (the one in the photo above) has a trident tail in stead of the normal forked tail. It's my biggest diamond and certainly doing well.

    The pandas were tiny (about 2cm but probably smaller). I ordered 7 but 2 of them died at the lfs before collection. I gave them 3 days after shipping (same day & store & shipment as the 2nd batch of diamonds above). Which, in hindsight, is probably not nearly enough to help them recover from the whole shipping ordeal. I lost 4 out of the 5 within 3 days. Add to this the possible inbreeding and stocking issues etc going on with pandas worldwide at the moment.

    On a lighter note, the lfs kept my pandas in their display tank with a note saying "All panda corys reserved for (A new day)". Apparently some guy looked at them and said "Hi, I'm (A new day) and here to collect my pandas". Luckily the staff know me by now and didn't fall for the trick. If the culprit is reading this...tsk tsk Play nice :)

    As mentioned, the remaining single panda seems to be doing just fine but I would like him to have some company. I think it might be worth my while to find a local cory breeder (similar water, better sized individuals, not stressed from shipping etc). Wondering if I should give pandas another go with a local breeder, or if I should go with C. Sterbai or S.Aneus which might handle 26C better. I particularly like the markings and slightly smaller size of the pandas, but like the other corys too and would rather want to do right by the fish. Does anyone know of such a breeder in Cape Town?

    Think my issue with the khulis was something totally different - poor judgement i.t.o. the hardscape / physical environment and their burrowing habits, like @MariaS said. I've come to accept that I probably see the same individual khuli all the time - a particularly large individual I call Braveheart ;) This means that, out of 7 khulis, 3 are confirmed dead, 1 is thriving, and 3 are missing presumed dead :( Braveheart seems happy though and he's becoming more and more entertaining - playing etc.
     
    TankMaster likes this.
  7. Toy

    Toy

    Joined:
    May 24, 2019
    Messages:
    278
    Likes Received:
    177
    Location:
    Pretoria
    Lol, what a chancer :p

    Soz to hear about all your losses, hope you get more stable stock next time.

    I luv my corydoras sterbai, luckily they where at the lfs for a few weeks, got them on a @ cost special. Even transported them the 5 min ride with no issues.

    They enjoy riding the spray bar wave and I cant believe how affectionate they are with eachother, definitely the stars of my 101 tank xD
     
    A new day likes this.
  8. OP
    A new day

    A new day Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2019
    Messages:
    6,987
    Likes Received:
    5,953
    Location:
    Cape Town
    @Toy look! Added 5 Sterbai, you sold them to me :) Good sized juveniles (I reckon they way 3 or 4 times what my panda does, and the panda has grown a bit since a week ago). Have been in the tank at the lfs for a couple of weeks, so that's also promising.

    Sterbai.jpg
     
    Cale24 and Toy like this.
  9. Toy

    Toy

    Joined:
    May 24, 2019
    Messages:
    278
    Likes Received:
    177
    Location:
    Pretoria
    Hee hee, you can sell your tv now, hours of tank watching await you, enjoy xD
     
    A new day likes this.
  10. OP
    A new day

    A new day Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2019
    Messages:
    6,987
    Likes Received:
    5,953
    Location:
    Cape Town
    I'll wait until Tuesday before I sell the TV. You know, wait and see if they survive 3 days in my tank? ;)
     
  11. Toy

    Toy

    Joined:
    May 24, 2019
    Messages:
    278
    Likes Received:
    177
    Location:
    Pretoria
    Be positive, they gonna rock!
     
    A new day likes this.
  12. OP
    A new day

    A new day Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2019
    Messages:
    6,987
    Likes Received:
    5,953
    Location:
    Cape Town
    3 days after I've added the 5 sterbai. Lost 1 yesterday :( but other 4 seem fine.

    Very worried about one of my pearl gouramis though. Yesterday / the day before noticed a 'grain of salt' on dorsal fin and wondered about possible ich. When I switched on lights this morning his dorsal fin looks horrible. He is lethargic and not himself, think he might be in pain. Added Microbe-lift Herbtana and Artemiss to the tank. Will see what he looks like tomorrow morning. Any ideas? I see no signs on any other inhabitants (at this stage).

    This is what I get for not quarantining. Who knows what I've released into the tank already.

    sick pearl gourami 30 July.jpg
     
  13. OP
    A new day

    A new day Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2019
    Messages:
    6,987
    Likes Received:
    5,953
    Location:
    Cape Town
  14. Cale24

    Cale24

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2018
    Messages:
    683
    Likes Received:
    669
    Location:
    Cape Town
    Looking nice and lush ;)
     
    A new day likes this.
  15. Chandz

    Chandz

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2018
    Messages:
    694
    Likes Received:
    943
    Location:
    Cape Town
    Your tank looks absolutely amazing!
     
    A new day likes this.
  16. BradK

    BradK

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2018
    Messages:
    340
    Likes Received:
    192
    Location:
    Durban
    Niceeeeeeeeeeee....Love it.
     
    A new day likes this.
  17. OP
    A new day

    A new day Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2019
    Messages:
    6,987
    Likes Received:
    5,953
    Location:
    Cape Town
    2 months 1 week. Added Aponogeton crispus, ludwigia glandulosa, bacopa monierre, susswassertang and bolbitis difformis baby leaf fern.
    Braveheart the khuli loach is also doing great, just couldn’t get a decent pic of him.

    C7B3AD06-6C7B-41AA-B14A-1E5F4A2D2873.jpeg

    558B956E-2E9A-4A85-B401-120077A8A0DC.jpeg

    12E3D3B4-4812-4BDF-88D8-A75FE0BD4AA2.jpeg

    6DFD168F-7C36-41A8-9C54-11395CE5C36F.jpeg

    560350D8-9A7E-426F-8AF8-AE4655E5A658.jpeg

    corys.jpg

    Top view.jpg
     
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2019
    louwla83, Cale24 and T. Guppy like this.
  18. TetraJacques

    TetraJacques

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2019
    Messages:
    627
    Likes Received:
    727
    Location:
    Mpumalanga
    Looking at this tank makes me feel embarrassed about my own :lol: amazing looking tank!!! Well done!!!
     
  19. OP
    A new day

    A new day Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2019
    Messages:
    6,987
    Likes Received:
    5,953
    Location:
    Cape Town
    Thank you but don’t be like that :lol: A thread is so useful to keep track of plant & fish growth, changes, additions (and lossess :(). You’ll be pleasantly surprised I think at the growth you’ll get within a couple of weeks!
     
    LetMinnow likes this.
  20. f-fish

    f-fish #unspecified

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2009
    Messages:
    9,642
    Likes Received:
    2,259
    Location:
    JHB - Randburg
    Nice one ... a textbook example of why when you start with more plants it is more rewarding and you get away with learning lessons without total disasters.

    Later Ferdie
     
    Hendrik Bergh, Chandz and A new day like this.
  21. OP
    A new day

    A new day Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2019
    Messages:
    6,987
    Likes Received:
    5,953
    Location:
    Cape Town
    Thanks @f-fish !
     

Recent Posts

Loading...
Similar Threads - Day's 180l jungle Forum Date
A New Day's 65l Beginner Discussions Jun 13, 2019
Our support IN STORE for FRIDAY'S MARCHES Pet Stop Apr 6, 2017
Today's stocklist Pet Stop Sep 15, 2015
Nealos' 180l Tank Planted Tanks Jan 11, 2021
Ich in the 180L Diseases Nov 1, 2019
revamp 180l aquarium Full tank shots Nov 17, 2014

Share This Page