Ich in the 180L

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    One of my sterbai corys developed pop eye overnight and is not looking good...
    This tank really has the plague :(
    Apparently KanaPlex would help but I can’t mix it with Paraguard.
    Thinking I should do another 30% wc?

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    sorry to hear this but 30% wont do much, but then again currently it seems that our tap water has a high ammonia issue so be careful use quality products

    I would look at doing at least a 50-60% water change and add something to help with the desease.

    I know that US sterilizers do a really good job I plan on doing this in the future.
     
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    Sorry meant to say uv sterilizers


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    Sorry for the losses @A new day
    It's a catch 22 situation
    You stop Paraguard to add Kanaplex and chances are ich comed back
    If you dont then you wont treat the pop eye
    Have you made sure they cant be usef together? I cant remember off top of my head
    When using salt or meds I never dose the full dose one time, i always build up over a day.or so
    If memory serves me right salt and Kanaplex can be used together with salt at half dose
     
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    I don’t think salt os gonna help here

    I recon at least 50% water change

    Remove any carbon or media that removes meds

    Paraguard is more like a generic and from what I under stand it only helps for early stage issues. I recon go to a shop or 2 and get proper advise on which meds to use


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    https://seachem.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360015446594
    Just saw this Seachem chart - Paraguard and Kanaplex combo falls in the green zone
    Green: Seachem does not recommend using these medications together if it can be avoided as the use of multiple medications can be very stressful to fish, but there are known situations where it is necessary. It is best to keep one medication in the food and the other in the water if possible.”

    So not ideal as it may cause extra stress but ... really a catch 22. The combo is not in the red or orange zone as they do not influence each other.
    Thinking I should bring Kanaplex into the mix too, and start investigating a UV sterilizer for future
     
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    Some bacterial infections are gram positive and some are gram negative, that’s why Paraguard (and most if not all other meds) doesn’t work for all types of infections
     
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    S**t spoke to soon :(
     
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    UV Sterilisers are the way to go.
    UltraZap is the local manufacturer, and supplies all over the country.

    There are 2 types of UV devices on the market.

    UV Clarifiers are blue in colour, and are typically 75mm in diameter.
    They are helpful in clarifying the water in ponds. They don't do much in the fight against waterborne pathogens however.

    UV Sterilisers are white in colour, and are typically 50mm in diameter.
    They have a quartz sleeve that concentrates the UV light waves.
    They fulfill the same function as a Clarifier, but with the added quartz sleeve also remove about 95% of waterborne pathogens.

    I have had a UV steriliser set up on my 4ft tank, and have never had any outbreak of Ich, or any other diseases in the tank.
    It does not affect the beneficial bacteria in the tank, as the UV Steriliser is set up in-line, before the canister filter.
    It does nothing to algae species that grow on plants, ornaments or on the substrate however, as it only works on the water column.
    BBA, Clado, Hair and Staghorn algae are still an issue, although their growth seems a bit slower than in tanks without a UV Steriliser.
     
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    I agree 100 % with @Pezulu
    I'm sure I have also mentioned before that we installed UV sterilizers on all tanks and in the last 5 years have not had an outbreak of ich or any other disease even when adding fish that could not be quarantined
    They worth every cent especially considering the price of a bottle of meds
    Strongly recommended it as the way to go
    Even seriously injured fish have healed with no meds
     
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    Thanks a mil. Is there a specific brand that you’d recommend for the 180L (juwel rio)?
     
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    UltraZap is a locally manufactured UV Steriliser.
    You could get either a 8W or 15W, which should be more than sufficient for your tank.
    Look for their Professional series, which has the quartz sleeve.
     
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    Paraguard isn't an antibacterial, its used to treat parasites hence the name Paraguard
     
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    According to Seachem, Paraguard eradicates ectoparasites and fungal, bacterial and viral lesions.

    https://www.seachem.com/paraguard.php
     
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    Seachem if I recall has stronger meds than paraguard. Paraguard is used in the early stages


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    maybe only as a secondary infection control
    But definitely much more intended for parasite (external) control than as a anti bacterial.
    They have a wide range of products caring for that
     
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    I’ve done a large wc (50-60%) and added Kanaplex as well as the evening dose of Paraguard. Gravel vac and changed the filter floss.

    I can’t find the sick cory and fear the worst. Not the first time I’ve finecombed the tank, but it is a true jungle and easier said than done!
    Found a skeleton of what I think is an otto, eaten clean by ramshorns. The other otto is missing and I fear the worst.

    Think the ich is the lesser of the devils in the tank at the moment, something else is the faster killer and hopefully the Kanaplex will help.

    Taking care to sterilize everything used in the tank with Dettol, including my hands.
    A couple of days ago my (cheap) curved tweezers broke the second they came in contact with Jik.

    The other fish seem as before but I’ve said that before and had to eat my words. Platys are flashing.
     
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    Ah krap that’s the worst hopefully you come right


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    I can't give much advise on treatment etc but I've been keeping an eye on this thread and it's devastating what your tank is going through... I'm sorry for all your losses!!! It's very difficult to see one by one die off after all the effort on taking care of them!!!

    This is a massive clean up operation for you and good luck!!
     
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    Thanks @TetraJacques it is a nightmare.
    In future I’ll defs quarantine and will get a UV sterilizer. Don’t want to go through this ever again.
    For other folks out there - learn from my stupidity. 8 or 9 out of 10 times you’ll get away without QT but the other times can wipe out your tank.
     
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