trelmix... good or bad?

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    hi all so as the title goes, is trelmix good or bad in terms of dosing micro elements.

    it was used in the past with good results with apsa members

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    not sure good or bad is the correct classification.

    How do you intend using it ... ?

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    when I was on apsa a while back it was the hype...
    trelmix was used for dosing micro ferts.
    i need to know if anyoy out there is using this stuff and if its working for them

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    trace elements[​IMG]

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    Sure but it is not an all-in-one fert ... even as a trace addative it is lacking in a few things ... like enough Mg and it has no Ca. Problem I found with trelmix if you use it as indicated and dose it based on the Fe content then you are probably going to add too much Cu long term and possible Boron also.

    But yes as a addative it does work and can help, but again, all depends on how you use it.

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    lean dose and 50% water change and add dolomite that will improve the mg and ca.

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    very good .. then you need to keep an eye on the impact of Cu and Boron ... shrimp snails etc are first to show issues

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    Trelmix is known to stunt your livestock. Rather use csm+b for trace elements
     
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    and how can i source this item

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    I'm located an hour from durban


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    Check with Richard from betterweather.co.za. I know he ships his products as well.
     
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    where can i get this stuff

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    i went to betterweather and didn't show any results

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    Yeah the balance between super plant growth vs that of your livestock are two sides of a coin. Any over fertilization of you trace will have a very negative impact on your fish. I think people forget why it is called trace .... and overdosing a liquid is so easy.

    Look at the ferz calc on apsa - I think the calculated recommendation was based on EI .. so lets go with that for the rest of the post .. if not rework the number but the story is same same.
    upload_2019-3-21_1-3-43.png

    target is Fe so less than a ml is need to get in the test range.

    Now look at another mikro mix .. on rotala
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    sure the target is double at 0.2ppm - so they need 5ml vs your 1ml on trelmix. All standardised against Fe at say 0.1ppm

    But what is in trelmix upload_2019-3-21_1-10-10.png

    ratio of Cu vs Fe 3.2/22.6 = 0.15

    and say the Sepzial
    Cu vs Fe 0.00005 / 0.2 = 0.00025

    Now that gives you some idea that the two mixes for Cu Trelemix is 600 time more potent than the Spezial and at our ppm requirement in the tanks that would mean 600/5 so 120 times at target Fe.

    Now if my math and logic is close .. 120x of Cu with every time you do the trelemix vs other plant fertz is something to keep an eye on ...

    You can calculate the other stuff and then see why it is not the Fe that is the problem but your other nutrients that accumulate and then cause the issues.

    So here is the trick with trelix - do not use Fe as your standard ppm indicator - go with say Cu that reduces your trelix to 120'th of what it was calculate for Fe and add normal Iron Chelate (13%) as still needed.

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    agreed that trelmix does more harm than good.
    in your opinion regarding trace elements, which will be the best comprehensive option for dosing as I'm still a newbie and willing to learn from a professional guru such as yourself

    also can you please tell me iron chelate and plantex csm +b (where can i source)

    happy holz

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    can this be used[​IMG]

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    Yes
    Just get the dosage right

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    Scape guys have done the math for you if you want to support local ... or you need to do a bit more digging.

    Later Ferdie
     
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    i guess since I'm in limbo with my tank waiting for my plants... I'll do some digging so i have all my macros just the micro's that I'm keen to digest.

    i need to know - if I'm going to use potting mix as a bas layer capped with pfs, i know that it will leach nutrients into the water column.

    when do i start dosing macros and micros?

    cheers



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