Urgent help for vains extremely visible on my GG.

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    My Giant gourami is lying at the bottom. His vains is extremely visible and his fins also show the extreme red vains. What is the best treatment I can use. I've done a WC and added some aquarium salt.[​IMG][​IMG]

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    @Stalker , sorry to hear... Hope he gets well soon

    I am not 100% sure but the only time I have seen redness lie this is as the result of an ammonia spike
    Often the gills are also pretty red
    When did this start, or was it a sudden thing?
    Did you by any chance take some water out to test before doing the water change and tested it?
     
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    Can we get a bit of recent history - what has changed or has been done in the past few days/weeks? Feeding, maintenance schedule, tankmates, parameters etc.

    Remember that you have a very light fish so conditions like this (seeing the veins) are exacerbated by their colouration. Dilation of blood vessels near the skin surface is not typical of ammonia poisoning, as far as I know, but do not rule this out. I suspect a different chemical agent.

    Keep us posted.
     
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    I've got a part in my tank that haven't got circulation, I've added a canister long time ago in that corner, but the canister packed up and I didn't notice it. There was a lot of ammonia gas is the gravel at that corner. I've done an 80% WC in my 1200L tank and added Seachem AMGuard.

    @MariaS, you probably remember Gekkie my GG. It is him. I haven't been on the site for a very long time.

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    I know you dont often post @Stalker but yes.... When I saw your post, I knew straight away it was Gekkie and how you must be feeling

    Do a very good gravel vac as well, use a cut up cooldrink bottle as it sucks every thing up without it spreading to the tank.
    If you lose a bit of gravel its too bad, just get it clean
    I wool look at adding a wave maker to eliminate that dead spot, that's what i have done and it really works well

    I would also double dose, Prime to neutralize any excessive ammonia fast, i think it will work quicker than the Amguard and they say it protects the fish against further damage
    Carry on with the water changes.
    If I remember right you also running a sump right? Maybe you should give that sump a clean as well because, if the canister packed up the sump was working overtime
    Good luck... let us know how it goes and we pray Gekkie will be ok

    @SalmonAfrica , the reason why I mentioned ammonia spike is because with the rays and their invariably white bellies, if they get ammonia burn, it look exactly like that
    With Gekkie being white, it looks exactly the same to me
    I also know the fish in that tank are Big and there is a lot of bioload so its easy for that to happen
    As i said.. i could be wrong but its what my gut feeling told me
     
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    I'm also suspecting a chemical, maybe your gravel released something. Large water changes and double dose of prime is the go to here. It will also take care of ammonia if it is that but I'm leaning towards a chemical that is poisoning your fish. That dead gravel pocket is very suspect.
     
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    I use Seachem Safe. I previously used Prime but with a huge tank it became cheaper to use Safe. I will add more Safe when I get home. I also added Paraguard but I know it is for external treatment.

    Thank you for the advice.

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    It is possible that its some other chemical released from that dead spot of gravel
    Not knowing about that problem with the gravel, ammonia came to mind due to the resemblance to what i have seen in the rays bellies and the picture and the fact that despite the tank being 1200l, the inhabitants are very big so any snag in the filters could easily cause a sudden spike
    However as you say, another chemical could also cause this...
     
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    Was Gekkie looking better this morning @Stalker ?
     
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    No.

    He got Septicemia. I must get a product or antibiotic to treat him.
    The vet that got a lot of experience with fish at Onderstepoort hospital is currently on leave.



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    @Stalker, get hold of Dr Paul Eshowe at the Florida Vet
    He is the other fish specialist vet in the Country, he was recommended by one of the Prof that used to work at Two Oceans
    He will help you, he even came out to my place once
    He will inject antibiotics
     
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    Thank you @MariaS

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    Yes it's hard to tell without testing the water. All in all it's probably down to water quality.
     
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    Paul is amazing, if anyone can help Gekkie, he can
    Came to my house, operated on a growth Flash had on the gills, injected antibiotics, showed us how to inject the rest of the course, all so we didnt have to stress her and transport her around
     
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    Hoping things work out for you and Gekkie.
     
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    Just catching up with this thread now.
    Septicaemia came to mind when I saw the photos.
    How he got it is another matter.

    Hope the vet manages to sort him out for you.

    Keep us updated.
     
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    He starts ro become red and also got cloudy eyes.[​IMG]

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    PH Shock somehow?
     
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    @Stalker sorry about Gekkie, hopehe gets well soon.

    I see you have other fish in your tank, are they okay or also affected?
     

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