When can I call them albino convict ?

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    I selected a few pale fry from the convict tank the other day - parents are from the same male and female but different batches.

    When can I truly call these fry albino? They are white very light stripes if any. Head to tail +- 1 cm.

    Later Ferdie
     
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    Simple - all true albino's have Red eye's - never seen a True Albino Convict though - they(the lighter,golden ones) all to some degree just a leucistic variation on the wild form - call them Toffee Fish - that's what the trade calls them....
     
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    Thanks @azurekoi .. to small to see the red eye's or not. But that has put on the right track .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convict_cichlid has a nice pic - hope I get to do selective breeding to get mine snow white ... we more years and we will know. Incase you did not know ( I did not) Leucistic fish lack most pigment in their scales. Hence the pink convict can never been albino - well that is my current understanding.
     
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    Leucistic gene is not generally linked to Albinism...so breeding your best leucistics to each other will improve that line - the odd albino(Another,non related gene) can show up at any time though - even from your full coloured fish....
     
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    I have 2 pink convicts which spawned about two and a half weeks ago. I looked at the fry today and saw that a few of them had some black markings on them so it seems that not all of them will be pink. Quite strange as both parents are pink.
     
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    @Bandit - The leucistic(let's just call it "pink") is a resescive gene - the original,wild form will always be domminant and want to reassess itself...think of nature...a crypticylla coloured fish stands a much better chance of surviving than a pink one....
     
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    jailbirds!...erm FISH

    You could have mixed ancestry at work here, still purebred Convicts
    BUT possibly one of my favourite morphs( form, shape, colour strain), of aquarium cichlids!

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    like MARBLE CONVICTS ???

    Not a far reach for it to be the case.
     
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    lol only a mother could love that face .... bit too 101 for me ...
     
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    I have 5 that have made it to this point .. the rest got munched before I could rescue them or they turned as they matured - Remember I grabbed these from the convict tank because the fry was rather pale.

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    No red eyes so not true albino - but Toffee Fish as @asurekoi said ...

    Later Ferdie

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    LOL@ Toffee Fish! That would be quite a funny username! LOL!

    But, then on the flip side, those are some of the nicest convicts I've ever seen! I am not a fan of the trusty old convict, but those are quite cool. Please get some snaps of them as they grow!
     
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    Toffee fish ONLY refers to Convict cichlids in their pink or leucistic "BALLOON", or shortbodied version.
    This isn't the original trade name for the normal form
    Just like you get small sweets, called toffees...
    These then can be one of several colours - by feeding, and or more insidious means...injection, laser tattooing, mucus removal and etching, then dip-dyed.

    OR
    Fed the same food Blood Red Parrots are offered to induce pink-orange-red base colour
     
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    Lol - tell that to suppliers then... used to get a line of uncoloured/dyed leucistic Convicts from a big supplier(non Baloon body type) labeled as "Toffee Fish" - all that set them apart was that they where all young Females that have been hormone fed to produce the atractive belly colouration....

    Semantics of common names are often useless in translation from breeder,to supplier,to LFS,to us.... this thread clearly shows that....lol

    All Hail the humble Convict....in all its colourforms....Whatever they may be....
     
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    @Sean J, I have to agree with you, @f-fish, these are truly stunning specimens. I hope that they don't change colour later on, but stay the same as they are now.
     
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    4 survived the winter and the tank mates. I have moved them into this tank for some inbreeding - will post more pics when the settle down.

    Later Ferdie

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    It was carnage ... but two survived that paired up, today I moved them to the outside tank hopping to get one more fry batch but hardy buggers.

    I pulled these guys from the tank - so they are the first pure batch (if that is the correct terminology) i.e. from the same brood, brother and sister cross but both albino ... 100% hit rate are albino.
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    I also have a second hatching in the original tank .. see I have some albino and normals mixed in that - funny thing only 1 adult fish so I must have moved the mate after the eggs got fertilized.

    Later Ferdie

    PS these have now been moved to a 3ft with some guppy fry ...

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    So ... I have paired two again .. managed to fit another tank in the fish room, added a normal filter sponge and a very old heater .. the 2 ft is new - don't ask.

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    Going to try and get a 5/6'th generation going in 2013/2014.

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    Going for the next generation ... well almost, these will move into some breeding tanks once we get some heat coming our way.

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    BTW they are prefer that the tank does not have clean panels.

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    Later Ferdie

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    these are what most lps & importers call an albino even though they dont have the red eyes
    very pretty fishy, best of luck with them
    my white convicts (pink or albino which ever you guys perfer) also had little ones. on the same day i joined TASA (about 1 week ago)... if i had to tell you guys how i found out and what happened afterwards most of you'll would be laughing but ill be blushing
     
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    oh and how many did you get? i love watching the perants being perants its like they know exzactly how many babies they have
     
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    oh one more question for the convict fans
    what is considered a successful convict breeding setup? 4 or 6 pairs or what?
    i'm waiting for my second pair of convicts to pair up and might want to keep breeding on a large scale
    Convicts biggest fan!
     

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