ASK THE PROF: Heal All: What's it all about?

Hi Guys,

I know there are a few people out there who use Bio-Elite's "Heal-All". I did some research and it says that it cures bacterial, fungal and viral infections and parasite infestations. And it does a whole lot of other things... Sounds brilliant but what I want to know is: Does it work?
How is it possible that it kills bacterial (including Gram negative infections) infections but not the bacteria in the filter (also Gram negative)?
Please could people who have had experience with Heal all or know of stories etc. help me out. I know Windfire uses it, who else does?

(I have absolutely NO idea if this thread/post is kosher (w.r.t. Sponsors), and if not, I apologise. I don't mean to step on toes).

Thanks
Kelly

 

Maybe one of our sponsors can actually answer this... They obviously deal with Bio-Elite, and have access to the reps, and could get this information for us.

I've used it in the past.. with zero effect.

 

@Zoom, that doesn't sound too great. The thing is that I am so sick of freaking out about my fish and not knowing what to give and what's going to work and what's causing the problem, the list goes on. If I had a med that cures all, is natural and thus can't be overdosed and is not harmful to my fish or filter then I would be so happy. Heal-all seems like it could be what I'm looking for but it sounds too good to be true...

 

It's as easy as selling tap water in a bottle labeled "Heal All"

I have had experience with labyrinth fish which had some ripped fins and some bites/scales removed. I found that highly concentrated rooibos tannins healed the fish in a matter of days. One of my first female bettas had scales removed and a fungal cotton started to grow. The fungus was removed in less than 2 days.

Some say, just super clean water will have the same effect or aquarium salt can treat anything. Could heal all be just plain old salt water? Maybe we should get the professor to analyze a sample and tell us its contents?

Placebo for fish . . . .

TM

If you are trying to treat your betta, use the rooibos. I actually discovered the healing properties on fish when I researched chocolate gouramis and tannins a year ago.There is no harmful effect on your filter but does tint the water. Since its natural, overdosing this on a labyrinth fish is unlikely.

I have tried it and still use this simple and cheap cure.

 

@TankMaster, maybe we should get the Prof. to analyse it for us. Have you used rooibos tea for other conditions/diseases or just fungus and wounds and does it work every time?

 

The rooibos works like a charm! It's South Africas own "heal all". I used it for :

Ripped Fins
Fungus
Ich/Ick
Fin Rot
and as a fungal preventative in my betta breeding tank.

It really does work. I tried it on more than 6 different fish and I am currently using it to re-grow my male CT's fins after he recovered from bloat. His fins thinned out so much that he couldn't stay straight. I just turned up the heat and added 2 bags of cheapo rooibos brewed in half a cup of water and he is doing well. He even bred so eagerly too. 10min and he was already embracing.

TM

 

Have also used it and it did absolutely nothing.
I stick to the Tetra meds that have the actual disease I want to cure
on the label.

 

How many days did it take for the finrot to and the ripped fins to be fully healed?

 

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I noticed changes in fins in the first 3 days and was fully repaired in a week and a half.

 

I thought the heal all was too good to be true! The problem comes when you don't have a clue what the problem is... LOL! But thats when you use TM's rooibos cure!

 

Its better using no meds than the wrong thing for the wrong disease.

 

I was working on a rooibos blend to heal bettas but kicked the idea because it's too time consuming and expensive to get a accurate analysis done.

Anyway, no deaths when I used it on air and water breathers

 

Heal-All has been around for decades...and its still got the same packaging...LOL
From a selling point of view...almost everyone knows it and we have firm believers in only it and nothing else...!!??
Feedback is really mixed, I personally would go for medication from a reputable company that could give you solid backup and proven results done in Labs (from Germany...hahahaa) but Heal-All being a homeopathic product made from herbal extracts tend to lack this.
We all know how 'safe' this product is but really how 'effective' would be a better question.
I've seen customers fish recover just by using Heal-All (luck or proper feeding with premium foods??) but then just as many come back and said it either took forever or did nothing at all...!
Maybe we could get the manufacturers on board that could give some insight on how the product works without blasting us with fancy branding words.
Also reading others experience with the product in this thread should clear this up... :blink1:

 

"Heal (nothing at) All"

 

Hi Kel-Sol, Zoom, TM and others,

We have a problem here and that is that in South Africa, these meds do not have to specify what they contain. In Europe and USA you may not sell anything without specifying the contents and although the companies try to be as vague as possible this still lets you know which family of medicines you are dealing with. Clearly we do not have that here and that makes me suspicious, because as soon as it is a cure-all, I wonder if this is bogus, or whether it is one of the killer medications that I know are sold in places like Singapore or Malaysia. Because the indiscriminate use of medications there, all the bugs there are resistant to normal off the shelf meds and only very strong antibiotics work. You can import this sort of stuff into SA and perhaps this is what is going into this med, who knows. The bottom line though is that it is costly to do analyses on this sort of med so I cannot give you a quick answer on this one.

I would like to agree with everyone that rooibos tea works wonders, I have used this with success in a number of cases in recent weeks as well. So why not use rooibos, it is much cheaper in any case.

Kind regards,

Dirk

 

Thanks Prof. Dirk for the help! Your advice is always very helpful and interesting. The Bio-Elite uses the plant Aloe ferox in their products and I have used their anti-fungus with great success, so some of the products are effective! However, I know from pharmacology that homeopathic/complementary medicines are not subject to laws (i.e. Act 101 of 1965 or Act 36 of 1947) so things like quality, ingredients, concentrations and effectiveness are not controlled and do not have to meet minimum requirements, which like you said Prof., is a problem in SA.
The problem that I have is, like Bryan/JungleAquatics said, when people say it works, did it really work or did the condition they were treating for clear up because of good maintenance, care and the immune system?

 

The thing I would like to know is, what process of testing did does Bio-Elite Heal all go through before it is bottled?

I am starting to think that their water conditioner is bogus as well.

 

How does rooibos tannins affects the water ph and hardness???

 

I have used pretty much all of Bio-Elite's product range.
Their fertilizer worked WONDER's in my tank... but after about 6 weeks, the tank broke out in GSA, my plants were covered in green hair like algae, and the water went green. I'm guessing that eventually something just tipped the scales in the tank, and all hell broke loose. The only solution I had was to do a 4day black out.
In my opinion, the only Bio-elite stuff that I actually don't have any problems with is their water conditioner. We all know JHB water is not great, and a conditioner is necessary. I've ONLY used Bio-Elite's water condition, and never had any problems. Maybe it's luck... maybe not.

 

I'm no expert but I know that tannins bind and denature protiens and so I don't think they will have an effect on pH or hardness because they don't interfere with the minerals/elements in the water.