Rule amendment

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Quote "Just to be clear, I have not broken the law... I dont own anything on the blacklist. You can research a fish till you blue in the face, without actually opening the BL you wont know if it's on there..."

Where can one get the list of blacklisted items, i.e. Fish, Plants, other aquatic animals etc.?

I believe in following the law as a matter of principle. If everybody did that, ....... Utopia!

 

http://www.tropicalaquarium.co.za/forumdisplay.php?2-Rules-and-Regulations

 

Only 15% of active members voted so far. It would be interesting to see how many members visited the forum since this discussion started, to see what percentage of those voted. What do we read into the abstain vote? How is 'active' members defined?

Rory, can we see those stats?

 

If everyone go and have a close look at their tanks, perhaps more will vote on the first option.
Look and see if you don't see :apple snails, rams-horn snails, pond snails, flat snails or mts etc.
These could have hitched a ride with your last plant purchase...

 

No Gert, we meant REAL BL species . LOL I don't think anybody would need to know how to breed these.

Good point, though.

 

haha, can I go change my vote from 2 to one? You got me on the first thing you mentioned. The kids saw it in a LPS and brought it home. What to do? Jump on it? Or, next time I find it going for a stroll across the floor, pretend I do not see it? Found it twice already like that, all dried up. Chucked it back in the tank and a day later it is fine again!

 

this thread is getting to be a mud fight so whats the use its going to get everybody"s tails up with no solution leave things as they are we all joined the forum with the rules as they are now so stay or go ...thats my opinion
Leslie

 

Please dont get me started again! @butcherman

i dont think you understand what is going on, if you dont want to be on TASA, then DONT!!!!!! but i do, and i do want to be able to post a thread in "ID Needed" and find out that the species in that thread is BL, and be able to know how to take care of it!!

and you are saying that you must know what you buy before you buy it???? Come on really? then all the flippen people will only have guppies!!!!!! as the LPS dont name the things right, then i have to go home again, google it, only to find something that does not look like the fish in the LPS!!!!!!!!!!!! what then? im 100% sure that you have a speeding fine, and that you dont stop at every stop sign?

Yes i understand that you DO HAVE A POINT, that what if the fish/plant?.... that is a BL species gets into our water? think of it like this; anyone that know its a BL and gets help on how to take care of it, will rather keep it in the tank, and really try and take care of it? but go off on the person and BAN him/her for even asking anything regarding the species, what will they do? well thats a 50/50 i think, flush it? or keep it!

education is the thing WE are looking for, make sure the people must know that if the BL fish or plant is dead, DONT flush it, chuck it out with the rest of your rubbish, and by doing that, how can we get any of that in our water???

 

@butcherman I think you might be picking up stompies? Read the thread from the beginning & you'll find we are all pretty much in agreement. We'd like to be educated so we can make informed decisions. Treat people like adults & they'll behave like adults.

 

At least some of us understand what we are trying to do.

 

Thanks Henk,

It's a great help. A few of the fishes I intended acquiring and studying are on the list. I am specifically interested in the South African, Swazi, and Lesuthu Labeos. The smaller ones, especially like the Red eyed labeo and Labeo Mattozi (papermouth yellowfish)

It crimps my style but better to stay within the law.

Regards,
Daan

 

Still own a BL'ed species. Should not have them in a tank. So most of the people that have planted tanks, have the unseen snail. I voted for number because I have MTS and can't get rid of them.

 

@discusguy... you are treading on VERY thin ice here!! (As well as a few other members. If you come on asking how to KEEP shirmp... you are BLATANTLY breaking the TASA rules, and YOU WILL be banned. I will make sure of this. Your Shrimp thread was not in the context of how to keep them, but if you are now openly admitting to wanting to know specifically how to keep them, then I advise you to join an international forum where you can get that information. The rules are CLEAR... YOU MAY NOT DISCUSS THEM IN THE CONTEXT OF KEEPING THEM. If you posting a picture of your tank and there is a BL species in your tank... you are NOT DISCUSSING THEM. May be a loophole or a problem in the rules... but Discusguy... that is the rules.. either abide or ship off. I feel nothing. (We've had discussions via PM, and we seemed to be ok with this whole issue... yet here you are sparking more and more problems.) (Other mods, please watch!)

If you believe that then you will believe anything.

Hi @butcherman... been a while since we seen you around. All your posts so far have been absolutely valid

NO.. you are 100% wrong. All the "older" members that you talk about leaving are sick and tired of the "younger" generation from trying to push the boundaries. The BL is one of the boundary that is being pushed... not the only. I've had MANY long discussions with the more experienced memebrs... and trust me the BL is not the cause.

This was the initial thoughts... but a lot of people are saying they want to talk about them. HOWEVER... the mods WILL moderate every post first, and if you are found to be asking (blatantly) for BL species you will be banned. If you guys want to talk about BL species... then go ahead... However as has been said.. 9/10 times the threads always go towards... "so where can I get?" ANd this will land you up in trouble. (TASA TOO)

This is the ultimate.

When a noob comes on with this dilema, a mod will politely PM and explain the problem. 99.9% of the time the noob will reply with a thanks, undersatand the issue, and will never bring it up again. The noob is fully understanding. But the MEMBERS on this forum all feel that it is their duty to have their say.. and it is this that scares or creates the bad image. You have no idea how many times a mod has spoken to the newbie, and yet some of you members (who are actually bitching here) are having a go at the poor person...) You all screaming that Mods need to do their job... but if you cannot SEE it, then you say we don't do our jobs. If we do it in public, you bitch that we are too harsh.

You shouldn't admit to this! you should NEVER EVER buy a fish without doing research. This is common knowledge, and good practise. If you buy a house, you do research, car = research, pet dog = research.... now you go buy fishy.. oooo look, nice fish.... buy buy buy. Next weekend... oooo nice fishy.. buy buy buy..... next week.... new post in TASA... fish hiding what can I do?? (RESEARCH YOUR FING fish before buying them!)

 

Vez... If you ask for an ID and you find out it's a BL species... that thread is totally legit. If you got and want further information on how to keep it, I will PERSONALLY BAN YOU, and again, this is DIRECTLY against our rules. You may discuss BL species, yet NOT IN THE CONTEXT HOW KEEPING THEM (HOW) or sales.

Again... Butcherman had a very good point a few posts ago... "then what is the point of discussing them?" I agree with this.

This is EXACTLY the PRINCIPLE that TASA is trying to teach each and every member. If you are buying without knowning what you are buying, then you are ASKING for trouble.

WOuld be nice if you could share this with me.. because this thread has taken a complete turn.

 

As this topic always does we should put this topic on the BL list.

 

I went through all the post since I was on line last night and it seems everybody is running in circles.All seems to have valid points in their respective arguments but then comes up with something that sounds @ss back wards,excuse my French.
Some members seems to be angels and can do nothing wrong,others admitting to breaking the law,knowingly or not.All very entertaining but beside the point.

I'd like to add another reason why the rule amendment is in TASA's interest,international participation.What do I mean?As it stands anyone is free to join TASA,South African or foreigner.But our foreign brothers and sisters are at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to discussing their tanks,or inhabitants.They can show the tank pictures but can't say what's in the tank.They can't mention water parameters,fertilisation,substrate or food.All in the context of how to keep or propagate BL species.

If you can't share your tank,why join a international forum?I'm just now thinking how many potential forum members has been effectively turned away because of this rule.Some members would argue that it doesn't matter but if ideas are not shared we will start to stagnate.Obviously we can join other forums but why then stay a contributing member of TASA?I want to be here on TASA because it is South African and distinct South African issues are discussed,I can't get that from a foreign forum.

 

Thank goodness someone with some sense spoke up! Thank you dougbb
I come from a Horticulture (plant) background and even plant people aren't that anal.
If we don't get to discuss anything openly then how do we ever find out about it?